A Dialogue between a Sunni and a Shia
(Abdullah and Abdul Hussain)
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
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Sunni: Excuse me are you Muslim ?
Shia: Yes, and why do ask?
Sunni: Because I noticed you didn’t pray with us today.
Shia : ok, well, I am a Shia.
Sunni: Right! Well what is your belief about Ali again?
Shia: He is one of the Infallible Imams.
Sunni: Interesting, so that means he was flawless then. Ali had many children and in particular a daughter named, “ Um Kulthum” ,who was her first Husband?
Shia: You know the answer to that!
Sunni: I need you to tell me though
Shia: Her first husband was Umar.
Sunni: Exactly, and was Umar a Kafir or a Muslim?
Sunni: I seek refuge in Allah. How is it possible that Ali was infallible, yet married his precious daughter off to a non-Muslim? Therefore either Ali wasn’t infallible or Umar was a Muslim and I believed both are correct.
Sunni: Ali was pleased and honored to have Umar as his son-in –law.
Shia: Still Ali was infallible!
Sunni: Well , Abu Bakr and Umar were the 2 caliphs after the Prophet(ﷺ) and Ali gave the pledge of allegiance to them both , didn’t rebel , and was pleased with them as the Khalifah’s; and an infallible Imam wouldn’t support oppression.
Shia: Those people were Ali’s enemies
Sunni: Huh! Ok, after Fatimah’s death Ali married several times and from those marriages he had a lot of children. For example married Umm Al-Baneen bint Hazim and they had 4 boys and one of them named : “ Uthman “, Ali (Radi Allahu anhu) also married, “ Layla bint Mas’ud “ and they had 2 children and one of them he named ,” Abu Bakr”. Also, Ali married Um Habeeb bint Rabee’ah and together they had a son named, “ Umar “. So am I right?
Shia: You are.
Sunni: Cmon, ! Let me ask you this. Name one of your enemies.
Shia: George Bush.
Sunni: LOL . Would you name any of your children George.
Shia: Emphatically not! No way!
Sunni: Then if those people were Ali’s enemies how could he name his boys after them? Would anyone in his right mind name his children after his enemies? Not to mention he named 3 of his boys as; Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman.!
Shia: Yeah, yeah, well you know what caused Fatimah’s death?
Sunni: Tell me .
Shia: Her house was stormed and she was punched in the stomach by Umar, which caused her to have a miscarriage.
Sunni: Where was Ali during of all of this? There is nothing authentically reported that Ali took his rights and I can’t accept Ali would just let that slide and you acknowledge that Ali was BRAVE!
Shia: He was brave!
Sunni: You believe there was a speech given by Muhammad on 18th of Dhu al-Hijjah on the 10 AH at Ghadir Khumm and thousands attended this speech and you are certain that Ali was chosen that day to the Prophet’s Heir Apparent.
Shia: Yes and this narration is sahih!
Sunni: Then why wouldn’t a single one present come to Abu Bakr and remind him what was said at Ghadir Khumm? And if Ali knew he was supposed to be the Caliph after the Prophet based on revelation, why would he give Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman the pledge?
Shia: Ali was supposed to come after the PROPHET as CALIPH!
Sunni: Really!! Then how come Ali didn’t lead a single prayer during the last days of the Prophet (ﷺ) while he was sick?
Shia: There is a narration from Sahih Al-Bukhari: That the Prophet (ﷺ) said to ‘Ali, “Will you not be pleased from this that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses?” This proves that Ali was the Caliph after Muhammad
Sunni: Harun wasn’t the Caliph after Musa, and Yusha bin nun (Joshua) was.
Shia: Everything will be fixed when the Mahdi comes. Just wait and see.
Sunni: No thanks, I don’t have to. When the Mahdi comes what will he rule by?
Shia: He will rule by the law of Dawud. He is hiding now in a tunnel waiting for the right moment to appear.
Sunni: Where is the law of Muhammad (ﷺ) ? It’s abrogated by a previous law! Iran has a population 70 million living in their country, why can’t the Mahdi come out now and live in Iran under the protection of the government?
Shia: There’s no rush for the Mahdi to come out from hiding now because Allah has granted him 100’s of years of extended life to establish the proof against his creation.
Sunni: Well, Nuh live 950 and Ibrahim had a long life as well and if there was anyone from the Son-of Adam more deserving of an extended lifespan to establish the proof on creation I think it would be Muhammad. He’s the last one to receive revelation from Jibril.
Shia: Well there is a mistake with that understanding of yours. Muhammad’s mission was to explain the Quran to Ali only.
Sunni: SubhanAllah! Allah said, “And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad ) the reminder and the advice (the Qur’an), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought.[An-Nahl :44]
Shia: The Quran you are quoting Mr Sunni has been distorted. Abu Bakr and Umar removed some verses from it and changed others.
Sunni: Quote a few verses for me please.
Shia: I can quote 100’s but time doesn’t allow me to do so, therefore, I’ll only give you a couple.
1: “ If have any doubt about what we sent down on our slave about Ali then produce one verse like it.”
2: Whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger about the rule of Allah is among the successful .”
Sunni: These are some of the changed and distorted verses from the Quran?
Shia: Yes there are.
Sunni: Okay when Ali became the Calipha why didn’t he put those verses back in the Quran or at least explain this to the people?! Can you read some other Ayah that were changed?
Shia: Yes, here’s two more and listen carefully.
1: Baqarah verse 90 should read: How bad is that for which they have sold their own-selves, that they should disbelieve in that which Allah has revealed about Ali.
2: In Al-Muarij it’s supposed to read: A questioner asked concerning a torment about to befall. Upon the disbelievers, which none can avert Ali’s Caliphaship
Sunni: The verses you quoted and believe were changed actually prove that Ali wasn’t supposed to be the Imam after the Prophet(ﷺ) and they are referring the Jews. By the way what’s your name again?
Shia: Abdul Hussain
Sunni: Do you have any children?
Shia: I do, Abdul Ali and Abdul Zahra
Sunni: Allah said: But worship Allah (Alone and none else), and be among the grateful.[Az-Zumar :66] Why did you choose those names and none of your Imams named their children with similar names?
Shia: See, you Wahabbis all think alike the word Abdul doesn’t always mean slave it can mean servant, and this in known in the Arabic Language.
Sunni: Okay, then Abdul Hussain means servant of Hussain after he was martyred ! Is it logical that he’s given his drinks, his food and water is poured for him while he’s in his grave? That’s what a servant does for his master.
Shia: Abdullah you are a Sunni Wahabbi and confused and I am a Shia following what’s correct!
Sunni : The companions of the Prophet were they Shia before the prophet’s death then became Ahlus Sunnah or were they Ahlus Sunnah then became Shia?
Shia: They are apostates!
Sunni: well, to apostate means to go from one state of belief to another!
Shia: They apostated that’s it. Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman were not Muslims.
Sunni: Allah said: Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave their Bai’a (pledge) to you (O Muhammad ) under the tree, He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory. [ Al-Fath :18] Didn’t those three companions you just mentioned give their pledge?
Shia: They did and what’s your point?
Sunni:Allah mentioned that he was and is pleased with them and knows what’s in their hearts,yet you are telling they apostate because of the Caliphaship of Ali, so in other words you’re saying, “ Allah doesn’t know but the Shia do!” I seek refuge in Allah.
Shia: Aisha as well .
Sunni: Aisha(Radi Allahu anha) what?
Shia: she was a hypocrite and an apostate.
Sunni: I seek refuge in Allah! Where was the Prophet buried?
Shia: In Madinah.
Sunni: Can you be more specific. Where at in Madinah is he buried?
Shia: In the Masjid.
Sunni: I seek refuge in Allah. Ahlus Sunnah doesn’t pray in Masjids where graves are. At any rate , a special trait for all the Prophet is they are buried where they die and He(ﷺ) died in Aisha’s bedroom. Isn’t this enough proof that he loved her and was pleased with her!
Shia: Abu Bakr and Umar might have something to with that.
Sunni: They are both buried next him. A Muslim isn’t buried between disbelievers. How is it possible that Allah wouldn’t protect Prophet Muhammad from having non-Muslims buried next to him. And where was Ali at with all of this ? He didn’t dispute those actions?!
Shia: Aisha wasn’t a Muslim bottom line!
Sunni: Then why didn’t the Prophet(ﷺ)divorce her? A Muslim cant remain married to a non-Muslim. Unless the Shia know her condition better than the one who received revelation.- I seek refuge in Allah!
Shia: Look, I am telling you! Aisha wasn’t a Muslim and plus she did some despicable things! Things I can’t mention right now since we are in the Masjid.
Sunni: Allah’s refuge is sought! You are referring to the hadith Ifk(The great slander) Allah vindicated Aisha of this false tale and besides The Prophet (ﷺ)said : If my daughter Fatimah stole something I’d cut her hand.” Our Prophet never feared the blame of the blamers, so why didn’t carry out the capital punishment for Aisha’s crimes if what you are saying is true?!. Allahu Musta’an.
Shia: They are about to call the Athan and even the wording is incorrect!
Sunni: What’s missing from this Athan?
Shia: The Athan should be said with 3 testimonies : ASH-HADO ANNA ALIYAN WALI-YULLAH (2 times):I bear witness that Ali is the representative of Allah.
Sunni: This contradicts your narrations from your books, The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “Instruct your dying to say “LAA ILAAHA-ILLALLAAH” and anyone whose last words are LAA ILAAHA-ILLALLAAH will enter Janna.” Where is the testimony of Ali those narrations?
Shia: Having love and belief that Ali is the Imam is a condition for faith.
Sunni: That’s it!
Shia: Yes, there is a hadith, “Loving Ali is piety which isn’t harmed by sins”,
Sunni: That’s Irja’. If bad deeds don’t affect a person’s faith as long as he loves Ali, then there’s absolutely no need for the Infallible Imam! Allahu Akbar.
Shia: Can we continue this another time. You guys are about to pray Jumu’ah and I’m delaying Jumu’ah until the Mahdi appears.
Sunni: There’s a clear directive from Allah in Al-Jumu’ah 9. How many Shia have died without offering this prayer!
Shia: anyway gotta run. We’ll pick this up again
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